tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18491098.post114994155102984541..comments2023-08-11T10:04:41.498-05:00Comments on Sandalstraps' Sanctuary: Comment and Question on Exodus 3:1-14Sandalstrapshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16303641009581382217noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18491098.post-1150215622501314162006-06-13T11:20:00.000-05:002006-06-13T11:20:00.000-05:00Jazzycat,Your Photo meditations do not discuss scr...Jazzycat,<BR/><BR/>Your Photo meditations do not discuss scripture, they merely allude to it. You yank passages out of their context and make them say whatever you want them to say. This mode of scriptural treatment has no place in reasoned discourse, and the arrogance with which you dismiss the positions of people who disagree with you is astounding.<BR/><BR/>Gandhi, besides being an absolute Sandalstrapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16303641009581382217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18491098.post-1150214665042948452006-06-13T11:04:00.000-05:002006-06-13T11:04:00.000-05:00Sandalstraps,The quote by Gandhi shows that he had...Sandalstraps,<BR/><BR/>The quote by Gandhi shows that he had no clue of what the Christ of the Bible came to earth for. Sure we should follow his example, but the very fact that Christians are sinners is why Christ had to atone for our sins. Not meeting Gandhi's standards is no problem, however, not meeting God's standards is why Christ had to come to planet earth. Christ is covered in my jazzycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16720471765591930568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18491098.post-1150199334147118002006-06-13T06:48:00.000-05:002006-06-13T06:48:00.000-05:00I should make it clear that I was never ordained. ...I should make it clear that I was never ordained. I served an appointment to pastor a church while studying as a seminary student. While I was involved in professional ministry for about five years, I was never ordained, and I hope that I have not confused anyone about that. This comes up from time to time because people assume that being a professional minister is the same as being an ordained Sandalstrapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16303641009581382217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18491098.post-1150173291637080892006-06-12T23:34:00.000-05:002006-06-12T23:34:00.000-05:00Sandalstraps,(Frankly Methodist that believe like ...Sandalstraps,<BR/>(Frankly Methodist that believe like Wesley should not have even been in that church to criticize you.) I should have added as well that advocates of the social gospel or thinking like Borg and Spong should likewise not be in my denomination the Presbyterian Church in America. I was also questioning why anyone who believed in Biblical innerancy, etc. would not be discerning jazzycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16720471765591930568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18491098.post-1150160996168445282006-06-12T20:09:00.000-05:002006-06-12T20:09:00.000-05:00Jazzycat,I'm not sure what you mean byFrankly Meth...Jazzycat,<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what you mean by<BR/><BR/><EM>Frankly Methodists that believe like Wesley should not have even been in that church to criticize you.</EM><BR/><BR/>But I'll accept your best wishes.<BR/><BR/>Additionally, theological liberalism is dead, and has been dead for quite some time. Liberalism, among other things, is a blind belief in human progress which denies human Sandalstrapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16303641009581382217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18491098.post-1150158317622324372006-06-12T19:25:00.000-05:002006-06-12T19:25:00.000-05:00Sandalstraps,I read the post, "There's no place li...Sandalstraps,<BR/>I read the post, "There's no place like hell." <BR/><BR/>Christians have shown no discernment with what has happen theologically in their denominations and/or have shown a passionated loyalty to remain in their local church. <BR/><BR/>Theological liberalism is far from Wesley. Frankly Methodist that believe like Wesley should not have even been in that church to criticize youjazzycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16720471765591930568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18491098.post-1150147071247139392006-06-12T16:17:00.000-05:002006-06-12T16:17:00.000-05:00Jazzycat,I'll get to your excellent question about...Jazzycat,<BR/><BR/>I'll get to your excellent question about why the religious left seems to hate the religious right so much, but first I'd like you to consider a few things.<BR/><BR/>First, as to Borg and Spong:<BR/><BR/>Spong is not and has never been associated with the Jesus Seminar. He is, as conservatives often like to point out, <EM>not</EM> a scholar, though his approach to pastoral Sandalstrapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16303641009581382217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18491098.post-1150143384889174772006-06-12T15:16:00.000-05:002006-06-12T15:16:00.000-05:00Sandalstraps,Fair enough. But, certainly you real...Sandalstraps,<BR/>Fair enough. But, certainly you realize there are plenty of highly educated and orthodox scholars as well. One that I really like is Dr. R.C. Sproul of Ligonier Ministries. There are many others. <BR/><BR/>I would suggest that you read and consider some of them instead of only accepting the 'scholarship' that the Jesus Seminar types promote. I know of a couple of these jazzycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16720471765591930568noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18491098.post-1150135674207566572006-06-12T13:07:00.000-05:002006-06-12T13:07:00.000-05:00Jazzycat,If you want to see my approach to Exodus,...Jazzycat,<BR/><BR/>If you want to see my approach to Exodus, check out <A HREF="http://sandalstraps.blogspot.com/2006/04/exodus-as-macro-story.html" REL="nofollow">Exodus as a Macro Story</A>. I am sure that you will disagree with that approach, but you'll need to know it to dialogue with me, especially if you keep your perspective on scripture latent. It simply doesn't do any good to quote the Sandalstrapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16303641009581382217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18491098.post-1150133941785457942006-06-12T12:39:00.000-05:002006-06-12T12:39:00.000-05:00Jazzycat,Of course you would. You and I begin with...Jazzycat,<BR/><BR/>Of course you would. You and I begin with different assumptions about the Bible.<BR/><BR/>As for the historicity of mythologized history, a couple of points:<BR/><BR/>1. I already answered that question when Troy asked it. I don't feel like answering it again, so read the answer I gave to Troy.<BR/><BR/>2. The Bible cannot be used to speak to <EM>its own</EM> historicity, Sandalstrapshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16303641009581382217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18491098.post-1150133164305388742006-06-12T12:26:00.000-05:002006-06-12T12:26:00.000-05:00Sandalstraps,You said:(The story of Moses' encount...Sandalstraps,<BR/>You said:<BR/>(The story of Moses' encounter with the burning bush is almost certainly entirely mythical.......<BR/><BR/>But a good question comes up: if, as most scholars argue, there was no man named Moses, what are we to make of the historicity of this myhtologized history?)<BR/><BR/>Since Jesus mentions Moses is mentioned 38 times in the four gospels and 20 of those times byjazzycathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16720471765591930568noreply@blogger.com